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Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War

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CXLI. Make your decision therefore at once, either to submit before you are harmed, or if we are to go to war, as I for one think we ought, to do so without caring whether the ostensible cause be great or small, resolved against making concessions or consenting to a precarious tenure of our possessions. For all claims from an equal, urged upon a neighbor as commands, before any attempt at legal settlement, be they great or be they small, have only one meaning, and that is slavery.

[2] As to the war and the resources of either party, a detailed comparison will not show you the inferiority of Athens. [3] Personally engaged in the cultivation of their land, without funds either private or public, the Peloponnesians are also without experience in long wars across sea, from the strict limit which poverty imposes on their attacks upon each other. [4] Powers of this description are quite incapable of often manning a fleet or often sending out an army: they cannot afford the absence from their homes, the expenditure from their own funds; and besides, they have not command of the sea. [5] Capital, it must be remembered, maintains a war more than forced contributions. Farmers are a class of men that are always more ready to serve in person than in purse. Confident that the former will survive the dangers, they are by no means so sure that the latter will not be prematurely exhausted, especially if the war last longer than they expect, which it very likely will. [6] In a single battle the Peloponnesians and their allies may be able to defy all Hellas, but they are incapacitated from carrying on a war against a power different in character from their own, by the want of the single council-chamber requisite to prompt and vigorous action, and the substitution of a diet composed of various races, in which every state possesses an equal vote, and each presses its own ends, a condition of things which generally results in no action at all. [7] The great wish of some is to avenge themselves on some particular enemy, the great wish of others to save their own pocket. Slow in assembling, they devote a very small fraction of the time to the consideration of any public object, most of it to the prosecution of their own objects. Meanwhile each fancies that no harm will come of his neglect, that it is the business of somebody else to look after this or that for him; and so, by the same notion being entertained by all separately, the common cause imperceptibly decays.

There are a total of 56 comments on and cross references to this page.

Cross references from Sir Richard Jebb, Commentary on Sophocles: Oedipus at Colonus:
*: chronioi...xuniontes

Cross references from Raphael Kühner, Bernhard Gerth, Ausführliche Grammatik der griechischen Sprache (ed. Ildar Ibraguimov):
429 [1) Anti und pro, vor.]
438 [2) Epi, bei, auf,]
440 [4) Para, bei, und pros, vor.]
451 [i. Wiederholung und Weglassung der Präpositionen.]

Cross references from Raphael Kühner, Bernhard Gerth, Ausführliche Grammatik der griechischen Sprache (ed. Ildar Ibraguimov):
514 [Häufung der Negationen. — Überflüssige Negation.]
545 [b) Grund. Gar.]

Cross references from E.C. Marchant, Commentary on Thucydides: Book 2:
2, 2, 1 [Commentary on Book 2]
2, 93, 3 [Commentary on Book 2]

Cross references from E.C. Marchant, Commentary on Thucydides: Book 3:
3, 46, 2

Cross references from E.C. Marchant, Commentary on Thucydides: Book 6:
6, 21, 1
6, 82, 4
6, 85, 2

Cross references from T. G. Tucker, Commentary on Thucydides: Book 8:
8, 66, 2
8, 89, 3

Cross references from C.E. Graves, Commentary on Thucydides: Book 4:
4, 3
4, 10
4, 29
4, 3
4, 10
4, 73

Cross references from C.E. Graves, Commentary on Thucydides: Book 5:
5, 17
5, 21

Cross references from William Watson Goodwin, Syntax of the Moods and Tenses of the Greek Verb:
156 [Gnomic and Iterative tenses: Gnomic Aorist and Perfect.]
613 [Temporal Particles signifying Until and Before.: heôs, ophra, eis ho or eisoke, este, achri, mechri, until.]
669 [Simple Sentences in Indirect Discourse: Indicative and Optative after hoti and hôs, and in Indirect Questions.]
669 [Simple Sentences in Indirect Discourse: Indicative and Optative after hoti and hôs, and in Indirect Questions.]
747 [Object Infinitive not in Indirect Discourse.]
747 [Object Infinitive not in Indirect Discourse.]
749 [Object Infinitive not in Indirect Discourse.]
795 [Infinitive with to, after Adjectives and Nouns.]
881 [I. Not in Indirect Discourse.]
887 [I. Not in Indirect Discourse.]

Cross references from Basil Lanneau Gildersleeve, Syntax of Classical Greek:
586 [Article with toioutos and the like. ]

Cross references from Harold North Fowler, Commentary on Thucydides Book 5:
5, 85 [Chapters 85-113: Negotiations between the envoys of the Athenians and the council of the Melians.]
5, 17
5, 17
5, 37

Cross references from Charles D. Morris, Commentary on Thucydides Book 1:
1, intro [Introduction]

Cross references from Charles Forster Smith, Commentary on Thucydides Book 7:
7, 48
7, 6

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This text is based on the following book(s):
Thucydides. The Peloponnesian War. London, J. M. Dent; New York, E. P. Dutton. 1910.